Sometime around 1997, one of my interview questions was, "Where else do your
applicants tend to apply, and how are you different from them?" I've
reported the results for all interviewed schools below, and added my own
thoughts where possible. Please note that I don't endorse what the
admissions officer said; I haven't been to many of these schools, and I certainly
don't know them well enough to judge comments about programs or administration.
Also note that neither "not interviewed" nor "not visited" is a comment
about the schools. Some schools don't attend forums, or I missed them
for some reason, and I visit schools within driving distance of my
home or when I happen to be in an area; I've just never happened to be in
Wyoming or Hawaii.
The list of comparable schools is helpful for two reasons: right now
it shows you whom the person quoted was comparing their school to; In June,
it will show you which wait lists are connected to the one you're interested
I was thinking of retiring this data in 2010, but I decided to give it a second look before doing so, and I'm glad I did: I had something new to say, usually based on a visit, for 40 of the 180-or-so schools! Loretta's thoughts for 2010 are highlighted thus. Older thoughts match the older chart.
||A School Representative Said:
||Capital, Cleveland State, Toledo, Dayton
||Trial Advocacy, Low Tuition
||Higher Standards, Low Cost
||major college town
||In state capital, student/faculty ratios, bar passage
||Beautiful law school, but no campus
||George Mason GW Maryland Boston U.
||Friendly and feminist
||New building, nice campus; closest law school to Morty's (formerly Krupin's) deli.
||Arizona St. New Mexico
||Small, friendly, high diversity, emotional support
||not visited. Great admissions staff.
||Arizona Cal & NY schools
||Quality of life, solid and affordable. Suburban.
||Pueblo-modern architecture, way too hot. Great admissions staff.
||Catholic Widener Nova
||Texas SMU Vanderbilt
||Trial Advocacy, Waco.
||Boston U. Northeastern UNC Notre Dame Hastings Fordham GW Georgetown
William & Mary
||Quiet atmosphere, isolated, supportive community
||Boston College Northeastern Fordham American Maryland Tulane
||Job placement, trial advocacy
||excellent Boston location; one of the best urban campuses.
||Cardozo Fordham Hofstra Pace Rutgers
||Strong clinical programs & minority recruiting
||trial advocacy; nice building
||Stanford Chicago Harvard
||Low cost, high diversity, emphasize social policy
||Prop 209 problems, but fabulous campus and law school. More of a college town than I expected.
||Hastings McGeorge UCLA USC
||Suburban/Rural, Prop 209 problems
||Berkeley Davis UCLA USC
||Strong public sector law dealing with real life problems
||LEOP Program limited somewhat to play USNews rankings game.
||Berkeley Davis Hastings USC Cornell GW Penn
||Accessible faculty, diversity, public interest law
||Prop 209 problems, but great staff.
||Whittier Pepperdine Golden Gate Chapman Thomas Jefferson Western State
||Accessible faculty and staff user friendly environment
||high attrition rate
||Central South Carolina UNC Wake Forest
||Good practitioner reputation
||Southern Baptist. 2010: moved to a more urban locale.
||Akron Dayton Toledo Cleveland State
||In state capital, International Law, Dispute Resolution
||Brooklyn Fordham Hofstra Pace NYLS
||Entertainment and immigration
||5th Avenue location
|Case Western Reserve
||Ohio State Wash U. Tulane BC BU
||Commitment to teaching the skills needed now, not 30 years ago
||A best buy -- good everything!
||American Maryland Syracuse DCLS
||Small, personalized, community spirit, ethics
||Western State Thomas Jefferson Cal Western Whittier
||Smaller Classes, Full Campus
||Columbia Stanford Berkeley Michigan
||Economic analysis of law
||Conservative. Not handicapped-accessible.
||John Marshall Loyola DePaul
||Innovative technology in school, lots of writing
||busy urban campus
||Case Western Ohio State Kentucky Louisville St. Louis W. Virginia
||good campus, solid reputation
||Akron Case Western Toledo Capital
||Russian Law, academic support, active student body
||gorgeous law school! Livable city with population of over 2 million. Great people work and attend there.
||Denver New Mexico Arizona Oregon
||Boulder didn't live up to its reputation, IMHO. Not nearly as eclectic as Eugene or Ann Arbor.
||NYU Chicago Stanford Harvard Yale
||"Applicants should discover this for themselves."
||Location, location, location!
Building is institutional and closed to outsiders.
||Albany Northeastern Boston U. Syracuse
||Northeast Compact limits seats available for residents out of New England. Wonderful admissions staff.
||Penn NYU George Washington Georgetown UCLA
||Small size, quality of university, Paris program
||liberal small town
||Nebraska S. Dakota Drake Washburn Kansas Kansas City
||Jesuit, urban. A beautiful building in a reasonable city. Like Des Moines, it had more to offer than I expected. Superb staff and administration.
||Akron Toledo Capital Cleveland State N. Kentucky
||25/75 Error In Official Guide; ABA Reports 2.98-3.47, 146-153
||Catholic; more than 50% non-resident
||Colorado New Mexico Arizona State
||Supportive staff, urban environment
||Private; great new building!
||John Marshall Chicago-Kent Loyola Valparaiso Marquette Wayne State Wash
||Trial Practice, International Human Rights, Church State Studies
||Not a full campus; not ostentatiously Catholic. Excellent public interest programs.
||Detroit Wayne State Hamline William Mitchell Valparaiso
||Large state university, increasing reputation.
||Detroit College Wayne State
||Jesuit, Canadian Law
|DC Law School
||Baltimore Catholic Howard CUNY
||Public Interest Law, DC Residence
||Frequently provisionally accredited
||Creighton Iowa Nebraska Washburn Kansas
||Smaller school, more attention
Capital city, though small, is funky and has significant cultural and ethnic touches. I liked the building, too.
||Penn UNC Vanderbilt Virginia
||Less competitive than Ivies
||Less urban than you'd think. Location is the best of the south (along with UNC, just down the road).
||Pitt Dickinson W. Virginia Temple
||Good practitioner reputation
||Vanderbilt Georgia Duke Georgetown UVA
||Atlanta; Theology programs,
||A best buy -- good everything!
||Florida State Emory Alabama Tulane
||Publishing faculty, good library
||90% resident, affirmative action problems
||Florida Stetson Mercer
||Young energetic faculty, small personable school
||Affirmative action problems. In the panhandle.
||NYU Cardozo Boston College George Washington
||Conservative Jesuit institution. Perillo for Contracts
||Midtown Manhattan location, with dorms.
||W. New England New England Suffolk Quinnipiac
||Computer tutorials, good environment, technology law
||American Catholic William & Mary
||State tuition, specialty tracks. Virginia, not DC.
||Public interest programs
||Elderly, prisoners, and elderly prisoners
||GW NYU Penn Columbia Northwestern
||Curriculum b, practitioner reputation, more liberal
||International diplomacy, human rights
||Georgia State Emory
||Traditional program, college town
||Athens is not Atlanta; this is the old south.
||Georgia Emory Mercer Florida
||Older student body, diversity, part-time programs, atlanta
||Urban Atlanta pros and cons.
||San Francisco Santa Clara McGeorge Pepperdine San Diego
||Strong clinical programs, diversity, urban setting
||Jesuit, urban setting, foothills of the Rockies
||William Mitchell Marquette Valparaiso
||Very young and flexible, religion and law, dispute resolution
|| Nice city, older facilities, friendly staff.
||Yale Stanford Columbia Michigan
||Big city, big name, large class, sink or swim
||The new library isn't so hot.
||30% non-residents, Pacific/Asian legal studies
||Pace Brooklyn St. John’s
||Accessible faculty, diversity, support for minority students
||little overlap with city schools; not visited
||S. Texas St. Mary's SMU Tulane
||Small population, accessible faculty
||Generic modern city, generic state school.
||Catholic, Maryland, Loyola-New Orleans, NC Central
||Premier HBC, Civil Rights Law
||Gonzaga Montana Utah
||Shares facilities with Washington State University
||Bloomington Iowa Minnesota
||2 1/2 Hours From Chicago, Top Reputation, Good Diversity
||Rural environment, full-time teachers
||Beautiful campus and law school.
||Urban environment, health law
||Visited the city very briefly; nothing negative came to my notice.
||Minnesota Illinois Bloomington Michigan UNC Drake Chicago Schools
||Diversity of students and faculty, large library, quality teaching
||Archetypal state school -- big, out-of-town, accessible. Friendly staff, modern facilities. Town is WAY too small for me.
||Chicago-Kent Loyola DePaul Cardozo Brooklyn
||Small classes, intellectual property
||Conservative; no campus.
||Nebraska Washburn Mo-KC Mo.-Columbia Creighton
||College town, low tuition, state school
||Louisville W. Virginia Case Western
||Better alumni reputation, environment law journal (mining)
||Mineral rights favors corporations.
|Lewis & Clark
||Oregon Seattle Colorado
||Urban environment, environment law program
||No campus; modern city.
||Tulane Loyola-New Orleans S. Texas
State residents only?
2010: May be broadening its admissions policies with new admissions officer.
||N. Kentucky Kentucky Dayton
||Nice campus, nice city
||Chicago-Kent DePaul American Boston College
||Safe city, child advocacy law
||Urban campus; new library is cramped.
||USC American Boston U. Hastings Tulane UCLA Santa Clara
||Higher diversity, internships, scholarships
||Entertainment law; funky urban campus.
||Tulane Southern St. Mary's
||Small, cheap, more congenial
Old buildings, great location.
-- still recovering.
||Vermont Franklin Pierce Massachusetts Schools
||Wisconsin DePaul Hamline
||Cooperative accessible faculty, good job placement, "Milwaukee is a big
||Briefly visited -- industrial city, older facilities.
||Baltimore American George Mason Boston U. Fordham
||Diversity of opportunity and electives, clinicals, personable
||Urban campus; near the Inner Harbor.
||Davis Pepperdine San Francisco Golden Gate San Diego
||State capital, legislative internships, more agricultural than urban -- this ain't San Fran!
||Mercer Mississippi Tennessee
||Urban environment; more legal opportunities.
||Bad modern city; sprawl without a cultural center.
||Memphis S. Carolina Samford
||Quaint old town.
||Nova Temple Syracuse Florida St. Stetson
||not visited; good rep in the north.
||NYU Chicago Columbia Berkeley Stanford Minnesota Georgetown Duke UVA
||College town, full-time faculty, inter-disciplinary programs
||The only cosmopolitan college town I've seen. Fabulous faculty and administration.
||Iowa Illinois Michigan Notre Dame
||Low tuition, great faculty and library
||not visited. Library is reportedly beautiful
||Mississippi Coll. Loyola-N.O. Memphis Samford
||Low tuition, 80% state resident
||This is the Deep South -- get me outta here!
||Loyola-New Orleans Tulane Memphis Samford
||Smaller & cheaper than other private schools
||Nice small town, friendly staff.
||Mo-KC St. Louis Washington U. Kansas
||College town, domestic violence clinic.
||Archetypal state school -- big, out-of-town, accessible. Friendly staff, modern facilities.
||Mo.-Columbia St. Louis Wash .U. Washburn
||not visited. Major city, urban campus
||Tiny school, practice oriented
||Kansas Creighton Washburn Drake S. Dakota
||Archetypal state school -- big, out-of-town, accessible. Friendly staff, modern facilities.
||part-time day program for mothers, low tuition for private school
||Good location on Boston Common.
||Arizona St. Denver Texas Tech.
||Native American Programs
|New York - CUNY
||DC NYLS NC Central
||Public interest law, diversity of student body
||Very liberal, practice-oriented.
|New York - SUNY
||Syracuse Fordham American Albany
||Innovative curriculum, emphasis on writing
||Good law school and campus. Very liberal.
|New York Law School
||Cardozo Hofstra Pace Brooklyn
||More local than national, liberal, good faculty
Very urban -- no campus.
2010 -- new building, not yet visited.
|New York University
||Penn Columbia Duke Cornell
||Public interest and poverty interest
||Urban campus, but with a park!
|UNC - Chapel Hill
||Wake Forest Duke Emory Vanderbilt
||Low cost, friendly, corporate and tax programs
||Good law school and campus. Location is the best of the south (along with Duke, just down the road).
||Campbell Southern Howard UNC
||High public service placement
||Low-budget state school.
||Suffolk Boston U. American Maryland Connecticut
||co-op program, less competitive-pass/fail grades
||Not a full campus; great Boston location
||S. Illinois Valparaiso Drake Chicago-Kent
||Small, public interest, closer to chicago
||Cincinnati Kentucky Capital Louisville
||Low-budget campus, but liberal.
||Chicago Michigan Boston U UCLA
||Non-competitive and comfortable
||Not a full campus; nice law library.
Lake Michigan and Michigan Ave!
||Very Catholic, very isolated.
||St. Thomas Miami
||All small classes, hands on experience
||Capital Dayton Toledo Cleveland State
||Small school, we really care
||Case Western Notre Dame Michigan Cincinnati Illinois
||Well rounded education-corporate, labor, tax
||Nice campus, urban environment, great administration; at 1.5 million, the metro is just a shade too small for my style.
||Oklahoma City Tulsa SMU Mississippi S. Texas
||Less expensive, good city
||Teach the fundamentals
||Lewis & Clark UC-Davis Tulane American Fordham
||Friendly town, friendly school
||Hofstra NYLS Brooklyn Cardozo St. John's
||Out of the city--slower pace
||NYU Duke Cornell Columbia UCLA Georgetown
||Less competitive grading
||Best urban campus!
Beautiful law school. My first love, so I am shamelessly biased.
||Villanova Pitt West Va Duquesne Maryland Temple American Catholic
||Open door policy, not cut-throat, practical training
||Carlisle looks just like Mayberry!
Now two campuses -- College Park and Dickinson -- haven't seen either one.
||San Diego San Fran Santa Clara Golden Gate McGeorge Whittier
||Conservative Christian school with a great view!
||Duquesne Dickinson Temple Villanova Case W. Virginia
||Quiet city, strong clinical programs, commitment of faculty & staff
||Good urban campus, good city.
||Franklin Pierce Nova Mercer New England Whittier Valparaiso
||Quintessential suburban campus, nice touches that only money can buy.
||Campbell Stetson Pepperdine Richmond
||Emory Wake Forest Cumberland Maryland Washington & Lee William &
||Friendly, personalized education
||Suburban campus in an urban setting
||Rutgers-Newark Temple Widener Seton Hall
||South Jersey job market
||Fordham NYU Temple Villanova
||New York jobs at New Jersey tuition;
awesome new millennium building.
||Hofstra Pace Cardozo NYLS
||not visited. very Catholic.
||Wash. U. Mo.-Columbia DePaul
||Professional skills, health and employment law
||Loyola-New Orleans Tulsa S. Texas SMU Texas Tech
||Commitment to diversity; Mexican Immigrant Law
||Miami Nova Loyola-New Orleans Mercer
||Location, small size, immigration clinic
||Alabama Mercer Emory Florida State Georgia State Tennessee
||Deep South, not very friendly.
||San Francisco Santa Clara Golden Gate McGeorge
||Good campus, imposing buildings
||Santa Clara Golden Gate John Marshall McGeorge Pepperdine
||Faculty commitment to student
||Urban campus, good location.
||UC-Hastings UC-Davis Loyola-La
||Academic support program, very friendly environment, high tech law
||Lovely Spanish-style buildings, nice law school.
||Lewis & Clark
||Cosmopolitan city, flexible schedules, broad based education
||New building, great city; heck, I chose to live here out of 100 cities I've visited! Funky cool counterculture.
||Rutgers-Camden Rutgers-Newark Quinnipiac
||Relaxed, open and supportive, gun control law, immigration
||Funky modern building, practically connected to NY train station.
||Mercer Campbell Emory Cumberland Mississippi
||Pro bono program, good law review
||Small town, okay campus.
||Creighton Drake Nebraska
||Texas Southern Houston St. Mary's
||part-time program, trial advocacy
great admissions staff
||UCLA Hastings Penn Northwestern Georgetown
||S/f ratio 13 to 1; "We try to make students happy."
||Nice campus, nice law school; California cool.
||N. Illinois Louisville
||Texas Emory Vanderbilt Houston Baylor Tulane Pepperdine Wash U
||Metropolitan, less competitive, public service requirement
||Suburban campus in an urban environment
||Central Texas Southern LSU Tulane
||Best HBC campus, 80 miles from New Orleans
||Whittier San Diego Cal. Western Pepperdine
||Two Year Program
||Downtown L.A. location
||Berkeley Chicago Harvard Michigan Columbia
||Oxford Meets California -- magnificent building! Magnificent admissions officer -- but good luck getting in!
||Religious reputation stronger than actual effect
||New England Northeastern BU John Marshall Cardozo
||Focus on state legislature, conservative commuter schools
||SUNY Temple Albany Franklin Pierce
||Summer Program in Zimbabwe
||Strong alumni reputation
||Suffolk Miami Pitt Dickinson Villanova Rutgers-Camden
||Diversity, semester in Japan
||Trial Advocacy. Good administration.
Good urban campus
||Vanderbilt Memphis St.
||Location and atmosphere
||new building; generic modern city.
||Vanderbilt Virginia Duke
||State School, 80% Resident
||Southern Central S. Texas St. Mary's
||Takes more risks in admissions, higher attrition rate
||SMU Tulsa Oklahoma Houston
||South Texas, Texas Tech, Tulsa, St. Mary's
||Cute school, cute city, great administration
||Whittier, Chapman, Western State
||Commuter school with an ocean view
|Thomas M. Cooley
||Two year program, flexible schedules
||Faculty accessibility and support
||Cardozo Hofstra Pace Brooklyn
||Jewish calendar, has moved to a more central Long Island location
||SMU Emory Texas Vanderbilt
||Beautiful campus, beautiful city -- still recovering.
||Oklahoma Oklahoma City Arkansas Houston Kansas
||Modern facilities, low crime city, not too competitive
||Helpful faculty and admin.not visited.
||Brigham Young Idaho Colorado Arizona
||Capital Bloomington Chicago-Kent N. Ill.
||S/f ratio, size, public interest law
||Country music capital of the U.S.
||Lewis & Clark Colorado Franklin Pierce Boston U Pace Syracuse
||Clinical programs, good community
||Idyllic rural beauty and isolation
||Temple Rutgers BC Pitt Duquesne
||Solid regional reputation
||Philly's Main Line, is the ultimate college town/city blend.
||new building, old Virginia.
||Duke UNC Washington Lee William-Mary
||Non-competitive, good location
||Suburban Christian environment
||Kansas Creighton Drake Mo-KC Nebraska
||UCLA Colorado USC
||Institutional architecture, commuter-school mentality.
||St. Louis BC BU Emory Tulane
||Faculty commitment to teaching and students
||Beautiful city, beautiful facilities, French and Southern influences, but primarily midwestern. I gave it an A.
|Washington & Lee
||Wake William & Mary Virginia Duke
||S/f ratio 11 to 1, racially mixed, strong honor code
||Nice campus, but isolated.
||Detroit Detroit College
||Better study environment, high bar passage rate
||Pitt Duquesne Dickinson Case
||Rural Mountain Location
|Western N. Eng.
||Franklin Pierce Vermont Suffolk New England Connecticut
||Typical middle American town and institution
||Whittier, Cal Western, Chapman, Thomas Jefferson Golden Gate
||Occasionally accredited, trying hard.
||Pepperdine McGeorge San Diego Cal. Western
||Good faculty credentials, open door policy, safe location
||Orange County safety and conservativeness.
||Temple Rutgers-Camden Baltimore Penn State
||Large classes, two campuses
||Oregon Lewis & Clark Seattle
||Small city, small classes
||Legislative programs, cute campus
|William & Mary
||Wake Washington And Lee Virginia (Most)
||Legal Skills Curriculum
||high-tech Moot Court room.
||Hamline Drake Creighton
||Many clinicals, 90% employed by graduation
||Modern facilities, friendly city -- A+!
||Public Interest Law, Clinicals
||Smaller town than I would wish for.
||Stanford Harvard Chicago
||Small size, cosmopolitan student body
||The student always comes first