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"Freedom of Choice" Data

Okay, you've read the intro page, and maybe you've looked at the formulas and assumptions.   Now you want to see the complete list, showing seminar and clinical results for all law schools.  And you're on the right page.  

But wait!  What's a seminar?  What's a simulation class?  Why do I care?  

Non-Bar (or non-core) electives are courses that won't be on the bar exam. They may be about zoning or banking, religious freedom or health care.  They usually come in "small" classes of 50 or fewer.  There are four kinds of non-core courses listed in the ABA guide: 

Elective classes:  small classes, sometimes for less than maximum credit (e.g. 2 hours instead of 3), in which you will take an exam.  These classes are usually anonymously graded, so the trouble-makers don't get penalized.  

Seminars:  small classes in which students write papers and make presentations in class instead of taking a final exam.  These courses cannot be anonymously graded.  

Simulations:  classes like mock trial, moot court, and negotiation, in which you pretend to be lawyers and role-play with assigned problems.  These courses also cannot be anonymously graded, and they usually have an assigned grade like other courses.  

Clinicals and internships:  These are much like internships in college; you're working in a law office of some kind.  These courses cannot be anonymously graded, and are usually pass/fail courses.   

Okay, now that we know what we're talking about, here's the data:  

  Seminars Simulations

Clinicals

Ratio of Courses per year to Students  
School

Elective
Seats

Seats Filled Seats Filled Seats Filled

sim &
clinical

seminars
& lectures

total

Akron 2700 431 200 532 267 270 17 2.34 9.13 11.47
Alabama 2560 204 172 301 278 92 90 1.21 8.48 9.68
Albany 2200 638 415 183 183 100 100 0.58 5.80 6.38
American 4700 2351 1550 480 392 240 203 0.77 7.51 8.28
Appalachian 740 140 93 300 230 0 0 1.36 3.98 5.34
Arizona 2520 589 442 365 259 89 65 1.49 10.19 11.68
Arizona State 2540 480 374 284 260 82 69 0.92 7.59 8.51
Arkansas - Fay 2180 194 152 249 225 93 84 1.14 7.91 9.05
Arkansas - LR 2740 329 135 306 226 117 60 1.27 9.19 10.46
Ave Maria 1680 144 90 181 78 20 14 0.94 8.52 9.46
Baltimore 3960 608 354 987 339 76 45 1.63 6.98 8.61
Barry 2440 162 114 219 123 24 8 0.74 7.96 8.70
Baylor 2580 131 131 1154 1154 5 5 4.58 10.72 15.30
Berkeley 5200 507 333 400 328 151 148 0.90 9.33 10.23
Boston College 2420 483 334 766 653 138 116 1.69 5.44 7.13
Boston U. 2240 1101 876 302 288 170 166 0.84 5.96 6.80
Brigham Young 1520 834 506 549 426 189 137 2.31 7.38 9.69
Brooklyn 4760 1065 894 1002 766 316 298 1.32 5.85 7.18
Buffalo 4660 619 440 1439 1195 145 145 3.29 10.95 14.24
Cal Davis 1280 262 186 494 448 233 109 1.92 4.08 6.00
California Hastings 3740 823 605 956 815 353 269 1.58 5.52 7.10
California Los Angeles 3140 651 617 85 85 325 282 0.63 5.83 6.46
California Western 3920 563 426 1457 1115 102 52 2.83 8.15 10.99
Campbell 1760 357 258 113 113 12 7 0.57 9.62 10.19
Capital 3460 135 80 567 244 79 47 1.36 7.55 8.91
Cardozo 2820 755 507 469 403 114 113 0.81 4.97 5.78
Case Western 4380 250 142 777 687 132 109 1.98 10.09 12.07
Catholic 3760 598 270 345 172 137 74 0.77 7.00 7.77
Chapman 2220 238 179 160 134 70 65 0.64 6.79 7.43
Chicago 2320 1293 1018 162 123 120 120 0.71 9.10 9.81
Chicago-Kent 6160 480 264 722 232 230 215 1.33 9.27 10.60
Cincinnati 1740 435 319 294 224 0 0 1.11 8.18 9.28
City U of New York 1480 322 292 320 294 160 147 1.85 6.96 8.81
Cleveland 2500 135 62 194 96 90 59 0.57 5.33 5.91
Colorado 1840 276 219 288 261 181 105 1.42 6.41 7.83
Columbia 2680 2216 1731 691 673 181 181 1.01 5.66 6.67
Connecticut 2500 733 583 599 418 138 130 1.56 6.85 8.41
Cornell 1340 532 461 195 195 116 116 0.80 4.80 5.60
Creighton 2860 180 131 410 366 22 22 1.43 10.07 11.50
Dayton 1840 170 135 424 361 64 41 1.39 5.71 7.10
Denver 4900 209 103 465 132 151 151 0.69 5.72 6.41
DePaul 4260 378 240 479 50 119 116 0.72 5.60 6.32
Detroit 2400 160 84 360 219 62 33 0.96 5.84 6.81
District of Columbia 820 80 58 40 33 127 127 1.10 5.92 7.02
Drake 2060 86 86 255 222 86 81 1.08 6.81 7.90
Duke 2520 731 563 321 297 89 82 0.92 7.26 8.17
Duquesne 2520 293 199 333 152 42 36 1.00 7.50 8.50
Emory 2580 255 188 614 560 20 16 1.43 6.39 7.81
Florida 3240 561 508 555 525 524 221 1.48 5.21 6.69
Florida A & M 1280 128 59 160 107 130 73 1.31 6.37 7.68
Florida Coastal 2880 390 261 768 511 28 20 1.23 5.05 6.28
Florida Int'l 1320 105 62 68 49 16 14 0.40 6.72 7.12
Florida State 2400 631 401 779 644 58 58 1.67 6.06 7.74
Fordham 5440 2548 1100 813 384 380 217 1.15 7.72 8.87
Franklin Pierce 2740 265 148 430 405 166 129 1.99 10.05 12.04
George Mason 4420 525 177 255 137 225 53 0.96 9.89 10.85
George Washington 6520 496 205 944 222 156 151 1.00 6.40 7.40
Georgetown 7000 2799 1253 1125 558 299 290 1.05 7.23 8.28
Georgia 2940 363 269 389 312 348 329 1.52 6.81 8.33
Georgia State 2960 455 325 246 0 194 134 0.94 7.30 8.24
Golden Gate 4900 225 148 380 233 283 161 1.25 9.65 10.90
Gonzaga 2640 125 115 301 274 130 119 1.11 7.13 8.24
Hamline 4120 256 132 782 478 97 75 1.89 9.43 11.33
Harvard 3740 1782 1053 240 174 365 334 0.52 4.79 5.31
Hawaii 1600 407 379 129 119 40 32 0.85 10.09 10.93
Hofstra 2780 837 692 847 710 85 81 1.43 5.53 6.96
Houston 4920 382 247 622 387 106 97 1.01 7.35 8.36
Howard 1840 460 395 150 150 72 66 0.75 7.80 8.55
Idaho 660 450 222 265 189 184 94 2.33 5.75 8.08
Illinois 3880 313 235 1055 960 56 56 2.48 9.36 11.84
Indiana Bloomington 3160 356 313 203 174 81 81 0.65 8.03 8.68
Indiana Indianapolis 3800 238 114 325 232 74 55 0.72 7.28 7.99
Iowa 2120 340 307 397 356 84 76 1.11 5.68 6.79
J Marshall GA 1260 30 20 352 96 0 0 3.09 11.32 14.40
J Marshall IL 6540 1860 392 1498 761 120 84 1.65 8.57 10.22
Kansas 2780 220 192 256 230 86 81 1.00 8.77 9.77
Kentucky 1540 194 163 150 80 27 27 0.63 6.17 6.80
Lewis & Clark 3060 598 293 211 130 180 105 0.75 7.06 7.82
Louisiana
State U
2260 240 173 546 441 0 0 1.25 5.72 6.97
Louisville 1860 378 222 243 168 0 0 0.94 8.67 9.62
Loyola Chicago 3420 613 349 717 397 117 84 1.44 6.95 8.39
Loyola Los Angeles 4360 497 243 752 438 160 119 1.00 5.33 6.33
Loyola New Orleans 1900 345 232 94 62 4 94 0.18 4.23 4.41
Maine 1400 200 147 167 156 40 39 1.14 8.79 9.93
Marquette 2680 390 339 544 527 0 0 1.11 6.27 7.38
Maryland 4780 704 472 985 761 402 318 2.52 9.95 12.47
Memphis 1520 192 151 140 126 82 72 0.86 6.66 7.53
Mercer 2680 225 177 856 745 8 3 3.42 11.48 14.90
Miami 3020 630 346 690 551 75 68 1.03 4.89 5.92
Michigan 2040 871 725 264 218 212 185 0.58 3.58 4.16
Michigan St. 4580 620 435 482 477 76 76 0.73 6.80 7.53
Minnesota 2880 827 797 322 301 270 260 1.11 6.93 8.04
Mississippi 1440 246 196 326 306 56 55 1.04 4.61 5.65
Mississippi College 1880 120 93 484 426 36 27 1.78 6.85 8.63
Missouri Columbia 2660 83 62 362 243 55 45 1.42 9.33 10.75
Missouri
Kansas City
2140 229 183 422 332 75 68 1.46 6.95 8.40
Montana 700 237 237 122 122 22 16 0.95 6.16 7.11
Nebraska 1680 144 144 339 339 49 49 1.52 7.13 8.64
Nevada 3180 130 73 224 163 60 84 0.86 10.00 10.86
New England 2800 725 502 658 472 58 45 1.01 4.96 5.97
New Mexico 1040 409 341 87 85 96 78 0.77 6.06 6.83
New York
Law School
3820 1046 773 115 80 61 51 0.19 5.20 5.39
New York University 4160 2036 1681 350 305 343 324 0.71 6.32 7.03
North Carolina 1920 541 541 1106 950 62 59 2.41 5.07 7.48
North Carolina Central 1640 190 151 226 202 265 219 1.77 6.61 8.38
North Dakota 1260 10 1 136 133 24 24 1.19 9.48 10.67
Northeastern 2680 118 110 328 282 106 105 1.05 6.76 7.81
Northern Ill. 1640 96 85 220 208 40 35 1.30 8.68 9.98
Northern Kentucky 1880 510 464 240 212 15 0 0.65 6.11 6.76
Northwestern 3260 1510 1099 476 411 222 206 1.32 9.02 10.34
Notre Dame 2420 729 595 194 189 134 95 0.90 8.65 9.55
Nova 4180 315 245 1360 1074 110 65 2.40 7.33 9.73
Ohio Northern 1920 108 91 88 82 45 30 0.64 9.75 10.39
Ohio State 2380 480 373 182 176 142 134 0.64 5.65 6.29
Oklahoma 2400 268 260 353 346 54 45 1.18 7.76 8.94
Oklahoma City 2340 163 149 256 235 20 1 0.60 5.44 6.04
Oregon 1240 610 404 224 196 150 121 1.07 5.32 6.39
Pace 3640 330 238 376 363 80 78 0.93 8.09 9.01
Pacific 2580 499 397 954 696 192 152 1.64 4.40 6.04
Penn State 3020 553 339 676 597 45 38 1.91 9.48 11.39
Pennsylvania 1820 700 690 303 262 166 163 0.88 4.72 5.60
Pepperdine 3560 520 382 1416 1290 44 45 3.14 8.77 11.91
Pittsburgh 3120 267 190 254 204 160 114 0.87 7.15 8.02
Quinnipiac 3100 180 128 417 364 88 82 1.21 7.88 9.10
Regent 2500 161 67 554 437 25 15 1.78 8.19 9.97
Richmond 2340 208 147 494 444 40 28 1.71 8.14 9.85
R Williams 1900 648 488 236 185 73 66 0.76 6.29 7.05
Rutgers Camden 4220 196 145 687 572 64 64 1.43 8.40 9.82
Rutgers Newark 1960 440 298 360 341 280 221 1.15 4.32 5.48
Saint Louis 2040 300 271 500 543 56 51 0.96 4.02 4.98
Samford 2140 255 155 379 360 0 0 1.06 6.71 7.77
San Diego 4580 655 556 449 401 214 197 0.94 7.38 8.32
San Francisco 2200 255 229 205 205 100 92 0.64 5.16 5.80
Santa Clara 4620 839 656 290 251 190 144 0.75 8.52 9.27
Seattle 4340 558 477 783 566 248 173 1.37 6.51 7.88
Seton 3280 1238 1004 1013 943 130 126 1.49 5.90 7.39
South Carolina 1940 290 166 320 310 57 51 0.74 4.38 5.12
South Dakota 1040 0 0 170 170 0 0 1.06 6.46 7.52
South Texas 3500 600 392 1078 1078 35 35 1.38 5.07 6.44
Southern 1320 115 90 192 115 125 81 1.01 4.56 5.56
Southern California 3140 344 233 441 261 104 101 1.29 8.28 9.57
Southern Ill. 2000 84 78 507 333 80 49 2.29 8.14 10.43

SMU

3160 400 325 291 255 256 256 1.01 6.58 7.59
Southwestern 3420 425 358 700 552 0 0 1.17 6.42 7.59
St. John's 3180 500 403 410 281 122 112 0.82 5.70 6.52
St. Mary's 2080 36 20 239 224 51 51 0.58 4.23 4.81
St. Thomas FL 3740 256 185 327 243 44 37 0.77 8.33 9.10
St. Thomas MN 2660 180 134 282 230 46 42 1.21 10.52 11.73
Stanford 2440 912 653 351 308 154 135 1.43 9.47 10.90
Stetson 2860 311 269 624 527 137 132 1.18 4.92 6.10
Suffolk 4920 1097 838 1329 1112 96 96 1.27 5.37 6.64
Syracuse 3340 198 71 680 533 110 96 1.61 7.22 8.83
Temple 5960 728 464 913 748 138 61 1.46 9.31 10.78
Tennessee 2880 86 74 458 428 74 63 1.76 9.79 11.54
Texas 5340 687 637 490 461 269 222 0.81 6.43 7.24
Texas Southern 2000 520 218 220 196 90 24 0.73 5.97 6.71
Texas Tech 2300 235 172 347 272 136 123 1.15 6.02 7.17
Tex. Wesleyan 2340 240 174 343 261 128 117 1.17 6.39 7.55
Thomas Cooley 8340 3444 2805 1934 1650 205 134 1.54 8.46 9.99
T. Jefferson 1620 480 476 260 237 30 24 0.65 4.74 5.40
Toledo 3200 0 0 340 271 171 81 1.73 10.85 12.58
Touro 2160 306 255 340 312 96 62 0.91 5.14 6.05
Tulane 4320 508 507 442 409 90 90 0.79 7.18 7.98
Tulsa 2920 180 130 539 462 72 79 1.49 7.54 9.03
Utah 1840 180 160 407 407 0 0 1.50 7.43 8.92
Valparaiso 2660 208 188 578 435 116 116 2.11 8.72 10.83
Vanderbilt 2440 224 208 232 219 75 75 0.72 6.24 6.96
Vermont 2480 457 335 359 292 46 43 1.09 7.94 9.03
Villanova 2540 299 251 313 283 65 64 0.74 5.59 6.33
Virginia 2320 2009 1619 1032 925 57 50 1.46 5.82 7.28
Wake Forest 2600 452 358 753 575 70 68 2.47 9.17 11.64
Washburn 1660 383 301 339 175 92 89 1.47 6.95 8.41
Washington 2340 105 105 170 165 85 83 0.67 6.42 7.09
Washington
& Lee
1440 229 173 170 149 58 58 0.90 6.60 7.50
Washington University 2880 346 313 986 790 94 92 2.07 6.17 8.23
Wayne State 1940 319 285 309 282 56 42 0.77 4.75 5.51
West Virginia 1500 245 197 454 378 37 37 1.55 5.52 7.08
Western New England 3080 80 60 341 276 122 87 1.21 8.23 9.43
Western State 2240 290 263 386 369 30 29 1.32 8.06 9.38
Whittier 7840 360 318 0 0 96 53 0.16 13.42 13.58
Widener 5220 800 345 1006 837 106 71 1.56 8.43 9.99
Willamette 1840 267 204 200 161 32 24 0.77 7.02 7.80
William & Mary 3780 454 363 1134 1066 0 0 2.80 10.45 13.25
Wm Mitchell 4360 1006 820 1283 1164 201 178 2.00 7.22 9.22
Wisconsin 4500 1292 828 489 402 621 429 2.00 10.45 12.46
Wyoming 1080 30 25 218 215 64 55 1.89 7.45 9.34
Yale 1820 938 701 144 63 525 372 1.73 7.12 8.85
 

Seminars

Simulations

Clinicals

Ratio of Courses per year to Students
School Elective
Seats
Seats Filled Seats Filled Seats Filled sim &
clinical
seminars
& lectures
total
 

But wait -- there's one more question we need to answer: what's a good number?  

This is like baseball, not golf; large numbers are good, small numbers are bad.  Since the numbers of seats published in the ABA book are per year, you want to see a high number; only half that number (more or less) will be available each semester.  

For simulation seats,

  • a ratio of 2 means you can take one course per semester, but not necessarily the one you want.  
  • a ratio of 3 means you can take one course per semester and probably get the one you want.  
  • a ratio of 4 or more means you'll  have plenty of courses to choose from, and can take more than one course per semester.  

For elective seats and totals,

  • a ratio of 6 means you can take three courses per semester, but not necessarily the one you want, or two per semester with a moderate degree of choice.
  • a ratio of 8 means you can take three courses per semester and probably get the one you want.  
  • a ratio of 10 or more means you'll  have plenty of courses to choose from, and can take more than three courses per semester.  

Only three a semester?  That makes no sense!  

Ah, you're forgetting those "Bar Exam" courses, that come in class sizes of over 50. Sooner or later you'll have to take taxes, wills, and criminal procedure.  

 

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